Healey Will Not Start (a.k.a. "Failure to proceed") Part 137

[Donovan2001]

"--Disconnect the brown wire from the solenoid and measure the voltage to ground. If 12 volts or more the solenoid may be shorted or stuck in the on position

I measured the brown wire to ground and I got 12.50V.

DO I measure the battery cable to solenoid?

Does this mean the solenoid is bad?

 

[Keoke]

Does this mean the solenoid is bad?

Sure seems like it I think.???? Press the button on the back of the solenoid and see what happens--Keoke

 

[Deleted member 8987]

He said his solenoid does not have a button on it.
He should be able to jump from the main battery post on the solenoid to the SMALL start terminal, NOT the big terminal to the starter, with e-brake set, in neutral, key off, and see if the solenoid picks up or not, thereby eliminating cables, starter and solenoid.

 

[Keoke]

" He said his solenoid does not have a button on it."




That is reason enough to put it in the bin.----Keoke--- :laugh:

 

[Deleted member 8987]

True, but once again, we would be changing parts without knowing what the cause of the problem is. If he jumpers as directed, it will prove solenoid actually works, starter works, etc. Then we can figure out what else.

 

[rjc157]

just for s&giggles where did u buy the solenoid because all the venders sell it with the button on the back unless you bought the wrong one or they sent u the wrong one starting to believe this is a make believe post

 

[why]

"a make believe post" eh, when I first saw it I thought it was a lost post from a dog training site, "Come on boy, turn over" Have you tried positive reinforcement, waxing a different fender every time it turns over....
Jay '65 3000

 

[Keoke]

just for s&giggles where did u buy the solenoid because all the venders sell it with the button on the back

No my friend there is an aftermarket one without the button on the back,as i recall it was less expensive---Keoke



unless you bought the wrong one or they sent u the wrong one starting to believe this is a make believe post

 

[GregW]

starting to believe this is a make believe post

There sure are some strange things happening here, but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Alright, I tried it for the forth time, this time I clean and removed the plastic covering from the brown wire to the starter solenoid. I tested the brown wire off the starter solenoid and got 12.50V. Now, do I test the brown wire with it on the starter solenoid?

This has me completely confused. If the brown wire was off the solenoid, it shouldn't have any voltage. At least while the engine isn't running and the generator isn't charging.

Also, I noticed that the fuses are completed blown.

Here's another curious tidbit. If the fuses are blown, the wiper motor shouldn't be working unless it's power feed was re-routed to the other side of the fuse block where the white or brown wires are.

Donovan, I think you need to fill us in a bit more on the condition of the car. Have you ever seen it run, or did you buy it in this condition? Without a clearer picture of the shape of things, we're all just guessing here.

 

[HealeyRick]

I'm able to by pass the starter solenoid in order to get the engine to turn over, but I'm unable to do so when I turn the key.

Advice? checklist?

Please help

Thank you

Not trying to be a wiseguy here, but you do know that just turning the key in a Healey won't engage the starter. You need to push the starter button on the dash as well.

 

[rjc157]

its a 65 no starter button

 

[HealeyRick]

its a 65 no starter button

Ooops, my bad!

 

[Keoke]

I'm able to by pass the starter solenoid in order to get the engine to turn over, but I'm unable to do so when I turn the key.


OK Key off. Take the red.white wire off the solenoid.Connect a jumper to unknown 12 volt hot connection and then Connecticut it briefly to the small stud where the red/wh wite was connected .Does it turn over???--Keoke

Advice? checklist?

Please help

Thank you

Not trying to be a wiseguy here, but you do know that just turning the key in a Healey won't engage the starter. You need to push the starter button on the dash as well.

 

[why]

Are you saying that if you electrically bypass the starter solenoid, effectively creating a virtual solenoid, and then you turn the key the car turns over? If yes, then it must mean (must used in the context of an English car electrical system--as in fused gauges in an Etype work pretty much even when fuse blown)your solenoid is bad.
Jay, '65 3000

 

[Keoke]

I'm able to by pass the starter solenoid in order to get the engine to turn over, but I'm unable to do so when I turn the key.


OK Key off. Take the red/white wire off the solenoid.Connect a jumper to a known 12 volt hot connection and then Connecticut it briefly to the small stud where the red/white was connected .Does it turn over???--Keoke

Advice? checklist?

Please help

Thank you

Not trying to be a wiseguy here, but you do know that just turning the key in a Healey won't engage the starter. You need to push the starter button on the dash as well.

 

[Donovan2001]

Would a bad starter motor cause this too? If the connection is bad would this cause the same scenario.

Thanks

 

[Deleted member 8987]

Geez. If you jump from battery feed cable on solenoid to small start wire, you will know if A) solenoid works and B) starter works.
I gave the entire process and what NOT to jumper earlier in the thread. Still waiting to hear what the results were.

If no start, at least tell us if the solenoid clicked.

This is NOT rocket science.

 

[Keoke]

Would a bad starter motor cause this too?


YES!!!

But do what I just said then we will know if the solenoid is good or bad.

Because, You have already stated " Bypassing the solenoid operates the starter"


If the connection is bad would this cause the same scenario.---Sure

Thanks

 

[Deleted member 8987]

For all we know, some parts house sold him a six-volt solenoid off a 1949 Ford where the start lead needs to be grounded to function.

This thread is so long it's hard to know where you are unless you read the entire thing every time.

 

[Keoke]

This thread is so long it's hard to know where you are unless you read the entire thing every time

---------Keoke---- :laugh: